All he did was destroy some stuff in the Valley and then got his jade minions, WHICH WERE KUNG FU MASTERS, rekt by a bunch of wet behind the ears pandas and didn't even put up a good fight with Po. How did Kai manage to beat the Furious Five but couldn't get past a team of ragtag pandas? What? They hyped up his character by saying he's taken the chi of all the Masters and is now strong as hell but when it comes time to actually fight he gets crushed. Shen completely obliterates this guy in comparison. He managed to get Gongmen City under his complete control, nearly had everyone killed with a cannon and the situation got so bad that the Five and Po were blasted into the water while his warships piled out of the harbor about to go on a conquest! Kai also fails to have a menacing vibe that Tai Lung and any villian should have. He wasn't threatening AT ALL. His theme was awesome but besides that this character is a failure as the antagonist and didn't even put up a good fight.
I agree, Kai was too hyped for me. I guess it's because he was initially (according to J.K. Simmons and some other filmmakers) too scary for the film. Really a shame that they stepped away from that just to make it more kid-friendly. I also didn't like his backstory that much - for really no reason at all, he wants all the power that chi possesses, and makes it his goal to take it all and ruin the legacy of the guy who tried to stop him from doing it. Meh.
So yeah, I definitely prefer the other previous villains to him.
Beat up Po pretty badly, even if he got outsmarted by him in the end.
Wreck the Jade Palace, and conquered other places as well.
Technically, I think the reason he ultimately lost was because he was outnumbered. In terms of power/strength, he's still probably the highest of the film villains. But you can only go so far with the believability of skill levels and all that in KFP. How long did it take Po to become a kung fu warrior and beat Tai Lung?... Exactly.
I think the idea of Kai, as Guillermo del Toro said, was a cool idea. A villain coming back from the dead and collecting chi, using kung fu masters as zombie minions; that's smarter than using lame-brained wolves and gorillas. I don't mind the idea of a more comedic villain either (though tbh I didn't find him that funny). I appreciate they didn't try to go same "sympathetic villain" route they did with Tai Lung and tried to repeat with Shen, though there are bits that allude to how he felt wronged by Oogway.
Still, his story could've had more to it to help connect the dots. Like, what if he first discovered chi? When Oogway was injured, what if it was Kai who healed him and then taught him to use chi instead of the pandas? And seeing this power, Kai later sought to use chi in unnatural ways, like resurrecting the dead or becoming immortal. Oogway disagreed, they fought, he banished him to the Spirit Realm. Kai had been the one to discover chi and even used it to save Oogway's life, and Oogway had used it against him.
I dunno, maybe not the greatest idea, but just something like that might've shed more light on why Kai felt so inclined to steal chi and erase Oogway's memory.
Cool theme though, yes. Kai has the best theme of the KFP villains, IMO.
Ya Kai did seem somewhat underdeveloped, also he wasn't very scary. Plus Kai seemed like he didn't have the best reason for acting the way he did. I mean seriously it didn't seem like he had major goals, except destroying one guy's legacy and everyone connected to it. What was he going to do after that.....................
Yeah I have to agree. To be honest, Kai didn't do anything close to what Shen did (mass genocide is hard to top) and his character was just ruined by underdevelopment and lack of a good backstory. In particular, the film doesn't really elaborate on his past much when Dreamworks could've tied it in so much better than they did and made him that much more memorable. In his defense though, the movie was more family oriented than the other ones and like Spottedstar said they stepped away from the harsher aspects of his character to make it more kid friendly.
TheGuardianOfTheYinAndYang said: Ya Kai did seem somewhat underdeveloped, also he wasn't very scary. Plus Kai seemed like he didn't have the best reason for acting the way he did. I mean seriously it didn't seem like he had major goals, except destroying one guy's legacy and everyone connected to it. What was he going to do after that.....................
Become the most powerful kung fu warrior as Tai Lung wanted too and destroy Oogway's legacy.
Honestly, I prefer Kai over Tai Lung, if only for the fact off Kai's trash talk. The fact that Kai can pull this off without coming across as arrogant certainly helps. True he doesn't have much backstory but his battle scenes are pretty good, so that works for me. Still, Lord Shen's dialoge and performance in KFP 2 makes him my favourite still.
I watched the video which made some very good points on how to create an interesting villan, however, I will have to disagree with you with Tai Lung having the same goal as po. In the scene where Tai Lung breaks out of the prison, and his backstory scene for the most part reveal that his goal was to try to get the dragon scroll for all of it's power it would assumedly give.
Po on the other hand at the start of the movie was not aiming to be the dragon worrior, he just wanted to see his heros in action, becoming the dragon worrior by accident as he see's it, he even doubts his worthieness of being the dragon worrior, running away when Shifu had announced to the five that he was the one that had to defeat Tai Lung, not the five, the scene afterwords can further highlight the insecurities he felt in trying to complete this seemingly impossible task, even going as far as stating that he only stayed as he was tired of being just his old self everyday of his life. I know at the end, it looks like both of them were going after the same thing, but thier motivations and goals were still completly different at this point, Tai Lung wanted the scroll for it's power even though it had no actual power, while Po only wanted to save the valley and prove himself to his heros, he is a fanboy like that, I think that Po only used the dragon scroll as a way to defeat Tai Lung since that was what he wanted all along.