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    • I knew a lot about this film before seeing it, and I still liked it more than KFP 2.

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    • I just went watched it on opening day. In one word, it's epic. If you're into the series but haven't seen it yet, go watch it. The only major issue I have with the movie is how it kinda goes into shark jumping territory at times (especially near the end) as it almost seems as if it was originally written as a series finale, even though it's confirmed not to be. It may not perfect, but it's still a worthy sequel, even despite its flaws.

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    • I feel like they tried to cram 4 hours of emotional story-driven mechanics into an hour and a half. It was non-stop. I was almost dizzy by the end. I loved it nonetheless, and was a nice companion piece to Kung Fu Panda 2, which is my favourite of the trilogy. 

      I also feel like the third film acts as more of a filler than a film. It ties up a lot of old plot points but also keeps us entertained until the next installment which (according to the way things go) should have a massive, dark and deep plot. 

      One can hope.

      This film was light and fun, but I am a sucker for the darkness of Kung Fu Panda 2, I hope the next film leans more in that direction ;P

      I'm still going strong for TiPo

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    • Dolphanatic said:
      I just went watched it on opening day. In one word, it's epic. If you're into the series but haven't seen it yet, go watch it. The only major issue I have with the movie is how it kinda goes into shark jumping territory at times (especially near the end) as it almost seems as if it was originally written as a series finale, even though it's confirmed not to be. It may not perfect, but it's still a worthy sequel, even despite its flaws.

      I agree 100%!!! I am very pleased with this sequel and even though there were things that could have been made better, the sheer epicness of the rest of the movie is enough to make me overlook the flaws.

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    • I'm probably one of the few fans who experienced the film completely fresh after having avoided almost everything from it. And WOW, that feeling of freshness was definitely worth it all. I felt like everything was brand-new and that nothing was visually spoiled, unlike my experience with KFP2 when I watched all of the promos. I'll have to go back and look at all the KFP3 promos now to compare, but I have no regrets; SO happy I decided to wait. :)

      I do agree with Zaralith's points, though. This one really did feel crammed and more of a "filler" than a full-length feature film. "Dizzy" is a great way to describe it - I felt that way during the film, too. I noticed this was a similar critique of those who saw pre-screenings and gave it lower-than-expected ratings, and now that I've seen it, I definitely agree. The film is still a wonderful masterpiece, but hopefully the next film will have a better in-depth focus on characters and story - AND a revisit of that darkness from KFP2.

      EDIT: Oh, and one more thing I want to quickly add: I went to a 3D showing - it was spectacular. Especially all of the Spirit Realm scenes. If you haven't seen it in 3D yet, I very highly recommend it.

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      I actually feel like we could've gone from KFP to this story and almost entirely skipped KFP 2 with little or no plot holes. Maybe add a few of the flashbacks where Li explains to Po what happened to his mom, but that's pretty much it...

      KFP 3 goes over things we've seen before, but it also brings new characters, new concepts, and new changes. Unlike KFP 2, things don't return to the status quo at the end, which is something I appreciate.

      I didn't like everything, and I'd agree it was fast-paced and "crammed", sometimes too goofy/ cliche (derpy panda? Lotus?). It felt like it needed more time, especially on Kai, who felt underused, and I wish we could've spent more time on the pandas as individuals, especially Li and Mei Mei.

      And... that pop music. Didn't like it. Even the Chinese "Kung Fu Fighting" didn't seem fitting in a sequence where everyone was kung-fu fighting.

      But I liked to see Po in this new position, in that he's becoming more of a teacher-authority figure, because I think he's been in this "Who am I?" stage and worrying about daddy issues long enough. While I think he should retain some of that fanboyish personality, I think this is a good development for his character.

      And yes, I'm glad there was no Po and Tigress romance (good job, DreamWorks!). Though I didn't like her being singled out among the Five again. I also find it strange that Po's getting promoted, but she's the one with an outfit change.

      But I did enjoy little moments for the others, like Mantis becoming Lei Lei's new "baby", and Crane trying to hold off Kai (bless him). Mr. Ping was the best he's probably ever been. And more Shifu, thank you, DreamWorks! That "Will you teach me?" line, lol

      Also, I like the choice of animation for the Kai/ Oogway story (Oogway had a Koopa shell, lol), and the touch of using that painted-stone animal look for the amulets. I also think the introduction of supernatural elements are pretty interesting.

      Speaking of which, am I the only one wondering what all this Spirit Realm Wuxi Finger Hold craziness means for Tai Lung? Is his fate now more or less ambiguous? It's like the film indirectly gives an answer, but opens up more questions...

      KFP 3 has its problems, but I think it offers a lot, probably too much for just 95 minutes. I don't care about the lack of "darkness". There was a good amount of humor and still some quiet, serious moments to appreciate. I don't think it's better than the first film, but I do think it's an improvement over the second one.

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      who was the baby panda Tigress was holding during the fight between Po and Kai

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      This film basically confirms that the Wuxi Finger Hold doesn't kill the receiver.

      IE. TAI-LUNG IS STILL ALIVE (in the spirit realm)

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    • Dolphanatic said:
      I just went watched it on opening day. In one word, it's epic. If you're into the series but haven't seen it yet, go watch it. The only major issue I have with the movie is how it kinda goes into shark jumping territory at times (especially near the end) as it almost seems as if it was originally written as a series finale, even though it's confirmed not to be. It may not perfect, but it's still a worthy sequel, even despite its flaws.

      A few cast interviews and some rumors flying around have led me to believe that Kung Fu Panda is not so much a six-part saga as it is two trilogies, with this being the end of the first one. That would explain the "series finale" vibe, if it IS supposed to be a finale in a way. Again, just rumors, but this movie honestly works way better as the end of a trilogy than merely the third of six. It just brings everything full circle so perfectly. 

      For the record, I don't think it was as good as KFP2 either, but that's kind of like saying Starry Night isn't as good as the Mona Lisa. 2 was perfect on pretty much every level while this was only perfect on most. :P

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    • ^ Wow, that's an awesome theory. Never thought of it like that! I definitely agree - it would be much better to have this film be the end of the first trilogy than the halfway point of six films.

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    • My one question to those who have seen the movie.... what happened with Mei Mei and Po??

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    • Chiplover123 said:
      My one question to those who have seen the movie.... what happened with Mei Mei and Po??

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      To put it simply...nothing. She's more of a running joke than a genuine love interest, which is kind of what I was expecting.

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    • YES!! *screaming* Thanks!!

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      Berserker88x said:
      To put it simply...nothing. She's more of a running joke than a genuine love interest, which is kind of what I was expecting.

      She turned out a little better than what her concept art showed her to be. DreamWorks originally wanted to go for what a lot of us fans were hoping she wouldn't turn out to be (a love-obsessed nuisance), so it was good move on them to change it up. (Wonder if we had influence on that?) But yeah, the film doesn't really focus much on the extra characters. It felt like they were there to force the plot forward with Po.

      Mei Mei in particular I had slightly higher hopes for. Like you said, she was more of a running joke than anything else - especially a love interest (not that I wanted her to be one). According to the art book, she now "aspires to be a warrior," but I didn't really see that passion because the film didn't focus enough on the other characters. I still enjoy having her as my avatar, but I really wish we saw more of her.

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    • I really don't like her -.-

      But this is just my opinion as a TiPo shipper :)

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    • ^ Just as long as you're not basing your opinion solely on that. She's still a really fun character. :)

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      It didn't really bother me. The characters that needed focus (Po, Li, Ping) got plenty of it. Everyone else just added some variety and flavor to the village, to make it seem like an actual community instead of just a setpiece. Better to have a lot of distinict personalities and less focus, then to have a couple stand out and the rest just be stand-ins, at least in my opinion. Maybe Mei Mei in particular could have gotten a bit more, but I don't mind that no one else did.

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    • So, did Po stay with his father, or did we go back with the Furious Five?

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      Po returns to the Valley in the end, and it seems all the pandas join him, including Li. Or, at least they're all training there now.

      I agree that Mei Mei didn't get enough focus. They advertised her to really be something, and she was still a fun character, probably my favorite female character of KFP. But I did hope for more. I kept hearing how she's this "results-oriented panda" and that she's "insecure", but I didn't get that from the film. I'm guessing there just wasn't enough time... I think a "Secrets of the Pandas" short is in order.

      I did hope she'd be Po's love interest though. She's like Miss Piggy and Po's like Kermit. The idea of the two being together just sounds so fun and interesting. But I'm fine that Po ended up with no one. He's got a lot on his plate right now.

      Though this kind of begs the question: if this is the Po Trilogy, what could the next trilogy be about, if it happens? Po's kids? The little kid pandas? Some entirely new panda character? Will it be a "Kung Fu (some other animal)"? Questions, questions... But I just want Tai Lung to return. :p

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      Wait so, he went back with the Furious Five, along with his WHOLE family?!! I am quite confused now :/

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      The scene before the credits shows the pandas and Po in the courtyard below the Jade Palace stairs. 

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    • Oh God.... this movie changes a lot of things for Kung Fu Panda -.-

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      VaporMist said:
      I think a "Secrets of the Pandas" short is in order.

      Omg, yes. 100% agree. :)

      I'd still also like to see the Panda Paws short if that's ever planning on being released. I posted in a comment that it looks like we're not going to get it, but I've been thinking: it could be that we might see it in March before the film releases in other countries with that release date. Crossing my fingers.

      Though this kind of begs the question: if this is the Po Trilogy, what could the next trilogy be about, if it happens? Po's kids? The little kid pandas? Some entirely new panda character? Will it be a "Kung Fu (some other animal)"?

      I think the entire franchise will always be centered on Po. Katzenberg's statement of there being 6 films in the franchise I think also mentioned that it's Po's story arc, so I don't think we're going to see any other main characters take his place; i.e. we're still technically going to have "Kung Fu Panda".

      My prediction is that if the two-trilogies theory is true, I think it's likely that we'll see a large time jump for Kung Fu Panda 4, where Po has grown more noticeably older - not Shifu-old, but just older.

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      I don't know, the Panda Paws short was supposed to introduce the new characters and setting. Now that the actual movie is out, it seems a bit redundant. "Secrets of the Pandas" would certainly be interesting though. "Secrets of the Scroll" didn't really connect to this film in particular, so we might be getting another short of that nature. 

      It would be kind of cool if it skipped into the future with Po as a full-fledged master now, having some new badass robes to match. Then again, there's still plenty of stuff they could do in the present time. There's too many possibilities to even guess right now, but the idea intrigues me to say the least. 

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      I really don't want to see Po starting a family yet. It'd destroy everything. He'd have different priorities. He's the Dragon Warrior!!

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      I'm a TiPo shipper but to be completly honest I really enjoyed MeiMei. She is a great charater. I wish she had more screen time as well for Tigress. This film, in my opinion, tops the first and second, I love ever single moment. Especially since there was a few Po and Tigress moments in there. They aren't big but they are very cute. 


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    • Third movies is so awesome can't wait for the next KFP 4 hope TIPO Finally comes been waiting so long :))

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    • i'm absolutely with you on that, can't wait for the fourth movie already

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    • So is Kung Fu Panda 4 official?

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    • Kung fu panda 4 will release in 2017 ??

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    • 2019 or 2020 to be precise 

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    • Chiplover123 said:
      So is Kung Fu Panda 4 official?

      Not officially yet. Katzenberg says there's enough material for 6 films total, but whether or not they use it depends on a lot of other things. If all goes well, then hopefully we'll hear a more official announcement about it in a year or so.

      After that, like PoxTigressfan95 said, it won't be coming 'til 2019 or 2020 - perhaps even later than that. Animated films take around 3-4 years to make according to Jen Nelson.

      That's all KFP4, though. Please keep the conversation in this thread about KFP3.

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    • How'd you guys like the soundtrack for KFP3?

      New themes: I thought Kai's theme was very simple but very menacing as well. It worked. The other major new theme was the "Panda theme" or maybe you could call it the "Family theme." I actually thought this one was very reminiscent of the "Panda Po" theme, but with a bit more heart. Overall, I really liked the new themes.

      Use of previous themes: Major issue for me right here. I think the "Hero" theme was critically underused (typically played when Po and the Furious Five/others are fighting). There was only 2 cues in the entire movie (one lasted for about 30 seconds, during Hungry For Lunch, and the other was for about 3 seconds). I think that was also due to the lack of action in KFP3, as it focused on other aspects. Still thought it needed to be used more. The "Panda Po" and "Valley of Peace" themes were used more frequently than in KFP2 as these are lighthearted themes, and KFP3 is a much more lighthearted film overall. And lastly...the Oogway Ascends theme (which has ascended into another Po theme after Oogway died, as I like to refer to this theme now as the Dragon Warrior theme). Completely underused. Several short cues is all we got, and for a theme that embodies the emotional and epic factors of KFP so greatly (in my opinion), I think that was a mistake (not counting the beautiful Oogway's Legacy track as it was not played during the film, only towards the end of the credits).

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    • Spottedstar said: I'm probably one of the few fans who experienced the film completely fresh after having avoided almost everything from it. And WOW, that feeling of freshness was definitely worth it all. I felt like everything was brand-new and that nothing was visually spoiled, unlike my experience with KFP2 when I watched all of the promos. I'll have to go back and look at all the KFP3 promos now to compare, but I have no regrets; SO happy I decided to wait. :)

      I do agree with Zaralith's points, though. This one really did feel crammed and more of a "filler" than a full-length feature film. "Dizzy" is a great way to describe it - I felt that way during the film, too. I noticed this was a similar critique of those who saw pre-screenings and gave it lower-than-expected ratings, and now that I've seen it, I definitely agree. The film is still a wonderful masterpiece, but hopefully the next film will have a better in-depth focus on characters and story - AND a revisit of that darkness from KFP2.

      EDIT: Oh, and one more thing I want to quickly add: I went to a 3D showing - it was spectacular. Especially all of the Spirit Realm scenes. If you haven't seen it in 3D yet, I very highly recommend it.

      Saw it opening day and it was awesome!

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    • ^ Not sure how that's a direct response to my comment, but cool. Glad you think so. :)

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    • I saw the movie in 3D and I agree that it's one that can look better in that format, especially during the spirit world sequences. But so far, all 3D movies I've seen have the same basic problems: there's always something that's positioned to make it look like it's in the audience's face or coming right at them, and when the background is blurry and in motion, it stands out more in 3D. For me, the distraction was a soap bubble, because I happened to be on the left side of the theater and I took my eyes off the main part of the screen to see what was moving near my face.

      Note to filmmakers: take a lesson from J.J. Abrams. He over-used lens flares so much that it became a cliche and he actually had to have them removed in post-production on one of his movies. Likewise, stop shoving things in the audience's face for 3D movies. They come to see the movie because they want to see a good story, not be distracted and annoyed.

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    • Mrdontknow said:
      How'd you guys like the soundtrack for KFP3?

      New themes: I thought Kai's theme was very simple but very menacing as well. It worked. The other major new theme was the "Panda theme" or maybe you could call it the "Family theme." I actually thought this one was very reminiscent of the "Panda Po" theme, but with a bit more heart. Overall, I really liked the new themes.

      Use of previous themes: Major issue for me right here. I think the "Hero" theme was critically underused (typically played when Po and the Furious Five/others are fighting). There was only 2 cues in the entire movie (one lasted for about 30 seconds, during Hungry For Lunch, and the other was for about 3 seconds). I think that was also due to the lack of action in KFP3, as it focused on other aspects. Still thought it needed to be used more. The "Panda Po" and "Valley of Peace" themes were used more frequently than in KFP2 as these are lighthearted themes, and KFP3 is a much more lighthearted film overall. And lastly...the Oogway Ascends theme (which has ascended into another Po theme after Oogway died, as I like to refer to this theme now as the Dragon Warrior theme). Completely underused. Several short cues is all we got, and for a theme that embodies the emotional and epic factors of KFP so greatly (in my opinion), I think that was a mistake (not counting the beautiful Oogway's Legacy track as it was not played during the film, only towards the end of the credits).

      I agree completely about Kai's theme, which is absurdly catchy for something so simple. In my opinion, that's what makes the best themes. 

      I don't agree however, about Oogway Ascends being underused. It was used quite a lot, even if just in several short cues as you said. That was plenty for me, especially with Oogway's Legacy as well. I'd rather more focus on new themes than spending too much time revisting old ones. I do think Hero was underused though.

      ^ Then don't watch movies in 3D. That's why I don't. :P

      Though I am going to try to see the movie again, and I might do it in 3D now that I already know the story. 

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    • I figure we might get more about the pandas next movie. Like the thing about mei Mei and po might be used for the 4th one.

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    • or maybe it could be about tigers like orgins of tigress and tipo of course :)

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    • Exactly :)

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      Kung Fu Panda 3 needed more time i believe, less comedy, because the comedy was too forced and more development of side characters, that is what i believe this needed to be better. I liked a lot how the Three movies of Kung Fu Panda are one big solid story of how Po pass from being a Kung Fu admirer to being a Kung Fu Master.

      I like a lot how this movie and the second one feel like one movie, how fresh this movie feels and also how cool is the story.

      What i dont like is how they treat this story and the side characters in it. After Kung Fu Panda 2 hint a relationship between Po and Tigress here we dont get anything of her and Po, any kind of link or development between the relationship of the two (only that Po knew what Tigress like to eat).

      How Kai gets softened and censored in some way to be less scary, but his character gets the worst part because his motivation becomes weak. If Kai would have been the one who got hurt in battle and he became crazy after feeling the Pandas giving him Chi to bring him back to life it would have been great. See how Kai becomes in some way an addict to Chi and how Oogway in a really dramatic way has to learn the art of the Chi to stop him and he traps him in the Spirit Realm.

      About the pandas i dont get a lot of problems about them, only how two big deus ex machina happen in the end, one Po sending a Spirit to the Spirit Realm when he couldnt and two from one moment to another every one knew how to use Chi.

      About Po father, his character is good, is one of the strong parts of the movie. About Mei Mei or whatever his name is, is weak, really weak, because we alredy have Tigress, we dont need another girl in the mix and dont get me wrong i mean, they created Mei Mei only to be a love interest to Po but the reality is, he alredy has Tigress.

      Finally 7/10, it is close to the 8/10 of Kung Fu Panda 2 and the 8/10 of Kung Fu Panda...

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      ^ I'm under the impression lately that the animation industry in general has a real problem with fast pacing. Maybe companies are afriad kids will stop paying attention if it goes on too long (or it could just be that animation is really freaking expensive) and so most animated films rarely go above an hour and a half, even when they really should. From what I've heard, Zootopia suffers from this problem as well. 

      Some false assumptions being made here though. First, that the budding relationship between Po and Tigress automatically warrented a resolution in THIS movie. Things like this take a lot of time, and there was way too much going on already to squeeze in a romance plot. Second, that Mei Mei was created "only to be a love interest". Well, clearly not because she wasn't a love interest, more of a running gag. I also feel they could have done more with her character, such as that "sense of empowerment" that the art book implied, but I never thought she would be a genuine love interest. 

      Side characters in general have been a reccurring problem with this franchise. Like the Furious Five and Masters Ox and Croc, I'm completely on board with a "Secrets of the Pandas" short to fix that. Though I do apprciate that the guy voiced by Jackie Chan actually got plenty of lines for once. 

      Completely disagreee about Kai. He's not a great villain because of his motives, but because of his unique abilities, charm, and sense of humor. Villains like this don't even NEED a deeper motivation to be great. The fact that he even has a hint of one is just a nice bonus. But if it had been Kai instead of Oogway to get injured, then we would have nothing but their word that they were ever friends in the first place. Actually showing that friendship through Kai's effort to save Oogway is a lot stronger. I also don't get how he was "censored". Because he doesn't outright kill anyone? Being enslaved for eternity to serve as someone's power source is pretty damn scary. Maybe they could have shown more of him actually taking other masters, but there was enough of that already for me to get the gist, and there were some pretty disturbing implications related to him as well.

      Yet another misuse of the term deus ex machina on the internet. Both of those events were foreshadowed, and within the context of the narrative. They don't qualify. Besides, they were two of the best parts of the movie, so who cares? XD

      I give it an 8.5/10, fitting snugly between 8/10 for the first movie and 9/10 for the second.

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      Kai was going to kill everyone he become in Jade Zombies, you understand now? He was going to kill the Furious Five and the Masters of Kung Fu. Like in the second movie Shen kill a Master of Kung Fun with his cannon. But clearly they change the way his powers works and while i felt it was for the best, it was going to be darker.

      Yes maybe Kai doesnt need a huge motivation, but in the movie they make it that way, they make Kai motivation a huge part of the story, because the only reason he wants to destroy Kung Fu is because this is the legacy of Oogway, this is was he left behind and everyone remember him, but nobody remember Kai or know who the heck he is.

      I can forgive side characters, i really can, because after the first movie the Furious Five lost the spotlight they have. But nicely in this movie we get a lot of Mantis and Crane, a little bit more of Monkey and Viper, off course a lot of Shifu and Tigress.

      My problem with Mei Mei is that she was created to be the regular gag of how Po goes to the Panda Village and finds out he has a girl waiting for him only to marry him and i dont know, even if in the end the character helps, i felt it was too strange she never take or change the dress and also that she never did another things.

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      Source? As far as I know, Kai's powers never worked any differently. Besides which, how would they reverse outright death? They couldn't just leave all those characters dead, and in the final film, Kai has no reason to kill anyone when he benefits more from taking their chi. For all extents and purposes, anyone jombified is essentially dead anyway. It's just a kind of death that's reversible.

      I find Kai in a simliar boat as Shen in terms of motivations. It adds more to his character and is a point of focus, but since it's not enough to excuse his crimes, it just highlights how screwed up the guy is. And unlike Shen, it's made abundantly clear that Kai was really never a good person, with Oogway being literally the ONLY thing keeping him in line. It's the kind of motivation that only makes him seem more evil, which works perfectly for him. 

      I'm glad they cut out the whole "engaged to Po" thing with Mei Mei, not just as a TiPo fan, but because a wedding is really the last thing we needed to deal with in a movie where much more pressing things are going on. But it seems that they couldn't really come up with anything better for her, so her only real purpose in the end is to have a female panda that isn't Grandma. Which is a needed role for the sake of adding variety, but there just could've been more to it. Again, hoping for a "Secrets of the Pandas". (fingers crossed)

      In general, I find that people REALLY exaggerate how much lighter this film is. The way people talk about it, you'd think it was just happy-fun-time-pandas all the way through, ignoring the numerous darker moments. It's not as dark as 2, but it's sure as hell darker than 1, mainly due to the much higher stakes.

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      Exactly, i believe in the original film to take the Chi from another beings Kai needed to kill them, so that is why i am saying he was going to kill a lot of characters, because to take their Chi he needed to kill them. But i am really happy with what we got, because the Furious Five are a great part of the history. Also now that i think about it, ¿Kail didnt take the Chi of like 40 Kung Fu Masters?, ¿that didnt mean that when Po defeat him this masters must have bring back to life?

      Yes, while Tai Long was created to be the hero of his own story, because Shifu always tell him he could be the Dragon Warrior, but at the end he create a monster full of deception and anger. Shen and Kai were created to have more like a personal link to the past of this characters and to be full of evil villains. Shen in some way was crazy and try to be the hero of his own story, but Kai he only wanted revenge the reason why he killed 40 Masters of Kung Fu and almost destroy the entire art itself.

      I believe my problem with Mei Mei is that she is the only "Girl Panda" and through the entire movie she is dress in this nosense and really stereotypical dress of chinese wife. Is like we needed more variety. I believe this will be always my problem with Kung Fu Panda, every movie the world becomes bigger but at the same time they find the way to make you feel variety is missing.

      Personally i dont like the second movie of Kung Fu Panda, it felt dark, fun and emotional, really emotional around Po history and how Shen is the key to Po finally find Inner Peace, that is really cool. To see how the two characters are the two sides of the same coin, Tai Lung was the other side of Po in Kung Fu Panda 1, Shen was the other side of the coin of Po in Kung Fu Panda 2, but i am talking emotionally not about powers.

      This movie for me is better than the second, it have a really interesting plot, but i felt something was missing there and was more seriousness, like at the end while Kung Fu Panda 2 has this really powerfull fight scene between Po and Shen and we saw really clear they two sides of one same problem, inner peace. Emotional Scars from the past.

      Here in Kung Fu Panda 3 we dont saw this same link, this same journey between Po and Kai, it was more about this guy is unstoppable is a freacking Chi Monster and he just becames a Chi Master, because he needs to and clearly the joke at the end ruin the moment of true, where we should have seen Po understand who he is and what he needs to do in life, while Kai still dont understand who he is and what he is doing in life.

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      Mei Mei is intentionally designed to look like a Chinese wife to emphasize her desire to be married. Not to keep harping on this, but that's something they could have subverted with her wanting to be more than that, and it would have made her a sort of female Po too. I certainly don't feel like variety has ever been missing from this franchise though, especially not with the introduction of literally an entire alternate plane of existence. 

      See, I LIKE the lack of emotional connection between Po and Kai. There's still that parallel, but it's more subtle, which serves to make Kai seem more dangerous since he's the first villain that Po does not try to connect with or redeem in any way. He's the only villain of the three I truly feel is a lost cause. 

      I like how you say you don't like the second movie, then say nothing but good about it. You also gave it a higher rating. Might want to reeavulate your opinions there. :P

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    • This is what i dont understand about internet, in internet for some reason the people always see the things in "Black and White" while they should see the things in "Colors". Maybe i dont like the second movie for the feeling it gave me, for some missed opportunities and because it was dark, unexpectedly dark.

      But that doesnt mean the second movie is bad, the movie has a lot of great things, how Po changes and accepts his past, while he tries to fight this emotions inside him. I also like a lot how Shen was made a great opposite to Po too.

      Kung Fu Panda 3 big problem is comedy, it has too much comedy, i dont like Dreamworks comedy, because they are too silly and safe. The old comedies were really great but the new ones like "Home" or "Trolls" this kind of movie are too safe for kids and i believe kids need to learn dark things sometimes about life and that is what i liked a lot about Kung Fu Panda, how the movies always were for kids, but inside them it always was a mature message or teaching for kids.

      Kung Fu Panda 3 dont lose this way, it have great teachings that any one can related to, from a kid to an adult. But the comedy always for me at less ruined the moments where the development of character or strong moments or learning were happen, like the final battle where Po have to ruin that cool "Dragon Chi thing" doing a bunch of Jokes out of place and the classic one liner we get in every movie.

      So is okay, because for me Kai was awesome and i dont know if i want more of this movies, because if we are going to have another one i dont want this quality again, i dont want this kind of comedy again, i am done, if they are force to do another Kung Fu Panda movie i believe the only place they can go is 5 years in the future or 2 years in the future and a relationship between Tigress and Po. While something really bad emerges.

      Because we alredy had 3 villains from the past, Tai Long was from the past of Shifu, Shen was from the past of Po, Kai was from the past of Oogway.

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    • Doesn't change the fact that you gave the second movie a higher rating than this one, then said you liked it less. Just saying. 

      I didn't particularly care for the comedy in the first movie because it had way too much emphasis on slapstick and fat jokes for my taste. By contrast, the comedy in 2 is a lot more witty and character-driven. Even if this one leaned a bit more towards the former, there was still plenty of the latter. And Kai constantly spouts hilarious dark humor, which is mostly new for this franchise. 

      The chi dragon scene was awesome specifically BECAUSE of the comedy. The whole point of that scene was Po coming to terms with his identity, so Po not acting like Po would have completely defeated the purpose. Also, seeing a big, unstoppable villain get tossed around like a ragdoll by someone barely taking it seriously is just inherently awesome. It's probably my favorite scene of the movie. 

      I'd discuss future movies, but we already have a thread for that. Though I will say I like your idea of a time skip (and a time ship. Ugh, that was terrible). 

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    • Again, maybe you dont like something but that doesnt mean is good and sadly that was the case of Kung Fu Panda 2, i maybe dont like it a lot for how dark it was but it is a better movie than Kung Fu Panda 3.

      The Big Problem of Kung Fu Panda 3 is how fast it is, how they try to tell it and how forced is the comedy, the only three problems i saw. The Story is great, the action is great, the whole development and themes are great. But how fast everything happens and how forced the comedy felt ruins the movie for me.

      Kung Fu Panda 1 had a lot of comedy but the thing is, in that moment and time Po was a fat Geek Guy who loved Kung Fu and wanted to be like his idols.

      In Kung Fu Panda 2 he was silly, pretty dumb sometimes but clearly he was just naive.

      In Kung Fu Panda 3 they try to force the same Po from Kung Fu Panda 1 and for me it was a huge let down, like Po alredy knows the Jade Palace, i believe now when he tries to show his father this place the both of them would be a little bit more careful like his son wasnt in the first movie, but we dont see this happen, he just becomes the same guy from the first movie again.

      Later when Shifu discover the disaster he goes out of character, because Shifu is this angry master but now he isnt, because for the sake of comedy we need to pass this moment and let the people focus in how Li is Po father.

      What i really like for the sake of comedy is how nobody knows who the hell is Kai, that is really funny, to see how Shifu doesnt know who the hell Kai is, but at the end Po is the first person in all the movie who knows who he is.

      That is how a joke works well, when the joke works with the character and it is part of the character. But when the joke feels forced and lost.

      I dont know this movie is good...

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    • Uh...Po never stopped being that geeky fanboy of kung fu. Ever. That's been his single most prominent character trait throughout the entire series. You seem to think he wasnt like this in 2 for some reason when he still freaked out about Rhino's death, was super excited about meeting Ox and Croc, and repeatedly tried to emulate the stereotypical kung fu badass (and failed miseably).There's no reason to believe that he wouldn't eventually go along with his dad in messing with the hall, especially since he was clearly resistant to the idea at first. You're complaining about a character change that simply never happened. 

      In Shifu's case, you're ignoring a change that DID happen. He is not the angry master anymore. He hasn't been since the first movie. He's mellowed out now to the point where Po finding his birth father completely overwrites any anger he might have had, showing how far he's come in opening up to his students. 

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      Completely disagreee about Kai. He's not a great villain because of his motives, but because of his unique abilities, charm, and sense of humor. Villains like this don't even NEED a deeper motivation to be great. The fact that he even has a hint of one is just a nice bonus.

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      Honestly, I think a good villain should have both. That's the main problem I have with Kai. At first glance, he has almost everything going for him. He's big and intimidating. He's got a deep, booming voice, a good amount of humor and some really unique powers as well. The ability to turn his enemies into zombie-like jade soldiers that fight for him really makes him a threat to be reckoned with. But because we know next to nothing about his backstory or his motivations, even a villain as cool as him can fall flat. Who is he? Where'd he come from? Why is he so obsessed with collecting everyone's chi? We never find out. What little information we do know about him is underwhelming at best. All we are ever told is that he once fought alongside Oogway a long time ago and after discovering the power of chi, tried to take it all for himself, and was banished to the Spirit Realm by Oogway as a result. We never see him develop past this. That's not to say he isn't still a decent villain. But compared to what we got with Shen from the previous movie and how more and more layers are added to his character as the story progresses or even Tai Lung from the first movie, Kai seems rather underwhelming.

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      That is the big problem with Kai, he is underdeveloped. Because Tai Lung was the hero from his own story and his motivations were build in deception and anger.

      Shen was crazy and he even if his motivations and plans were really simple and cliche, Shen itself was a good character.

      Kain in the other side, has the voice, has the design, has the powers, but his backstory even if it is cool and interesting, is underdeveloped, we doesnt know a lot about Kai, only that he wants to destroy Oogway Legacy, Kung Fu and that is.

      It depends in how you see it.

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      ^ It does indeed. The way I see it, people have gotten too used to complex, tragic villains from this franchise to the point where they think it's a requirement. There are numerous examples of great villains out there with far less complexity than Kai gets. Hell, I'd even include the Wolf Boss under that banner (poor guy is so overshadowed). I like my sympatheic villains as much as the next guy, but we've had two of those already. I was really hoping for a change of pace with Kai, a villain more outright evil and funny, and that's exactly what I got. 

      Besides which, the amount of actual backstory we get is roughly the same. We get a brief glimpse of Tai Lung raised by Shifu, a brief glimpse of Shen and his parents, and a brief glimpse of Kai and Oogway. The only difference is that Kai doesn't give as much personal insight into it. I don't really care about where he came from because that's not the important part. The important part is that he's a ruthless, power-hungry d***, whose only tether to morality was a single person, and even that person couldn't change his ways in the end. That's interesting enough for me. 

      Even if I do still think Shen was a better villain overall, I think I like Kai more by personal preference, if that makes sense. 

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      I just saw it yesterday afternoon and all I can think of to say is it was EPIC!!!!!!!!!!  But now that he has mastered chi, what more is there for the next movie? The Celestial Phoenix? Jk XD. Sorry, that's for another thread, I know.

      It's interesting that Po's real name is Lotus, it sounds kinda girly. I still like Po better. XP

      I am soooo glad they didn't do too much with Mei Mei, for some reason I don't really like her. Not that I'm a TiPo shipper, I just don't really like the idea of Mei Mei falling in love with him or anything, I guess. :P  

      There were a few things I disagree with, but WHATEVER! I also LOOOVE Kai's music, I've listened to it over and over on Spotify already. XD

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      Saw it was not my favorite out of all kung fu panda movies, for one they did not introduce the new characters enough and i think everything was to cramped together, although i thought the music and animation was great, even better so then the last two films, but still i thoght it was still good movie, no mater how many problems i found with it. Not as good as the last two movies but still a must see. 

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